Talk:Buffy the Vampire Slayer

A few points:

• which is most popular, the TV series or the film? -- might it be better to have this page as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and the fim as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer (film)"? -- or even both on one page?
• when did the term "Scooby Gang" crop up? as far as I vaguely remember, Faith first used it in a derogatory way. Correction: just seen in the repeat of "What's my Line pt1", Xander uses it when he & Cordelia enter Buffy's house. -- Tarquin

The series seems to be much much more popular. I recommend moving the series page to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The film should be treated as a quick paragraph in this article. If no one objects, I'll do this in a bit. --Brion

I've swapped the articles, the series is now here at the plain title and the movie is at Buffy the Vampire Slayer (movie). There's not much there, though, so I might merge it into the main article. --Brion

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The following text comes from Talk:Buffy the Vampire Slayer television show:

Note to the person who removed the spoiler: the consensus policy on spoilers on Wikipedia is that we are trying to write an encyclopedia here, and so it is acceptable (and indeed encouraged) to provide full discussion of the plot of any creative media. However, because people may not know this policy when they come to a page, people should add a disclaimer to the top of the page, usually just a link to the Wikipedia contains spoilers page. Merely that some part of an article is a spoiler is *not* sufficient grounds to remove it. --Robert Merkel

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Noted. In my defense, the original article did not contain *any* spoiler warnings, and I was quite disappointed to discover a spoiler for an episode that hasn't even been shown in New Zealand or other parts of the world. In addition, I don't see what this sentence contributes to the Wikipedia entry, in the way that a spoilers for The Sixth Sense would be necessary. Why not mention how Angel got his soul back but got killed by Buffy to save the world anyway? He was a much more important character, and even got his own spinoff! --Carey Evans

Fair point. If I had realised it *was* still a spoiler to a signifacant number of people, I would have put the warning in beforehand. And I have to say that from my perspective Buffy is a *much* more important character than Angel. I know which one I prefer seeing onscreen :) --Robert Merkel

That didn't come out right anyway. I meant to say something like how Angel's story was more significant than what the fifth season is leading up to.

I'll leave the page for now, anyway. A better solution in my mind would be to write a description of the main arc story for each season, giving the spoiler some context and showing readers what they're going to see if they read further; but I'm not going to commit to that right now.

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just some ideas for future pages names for characters:

• Buffy Summers
• Angelus[?] for Angel (to avoid the need for disambiguation)

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I've been working a bit on adding information for the characters that don't have entries yet. Did one for Anya, and have added a few minor character links at the bottom of the main page.

Would it be reasonable to do entries for *all* of the characters in the show? They all have such distinctive personalities and would be fun to write! --wapcaplet

If it is possible to write an entry for each character, and if this is the most efficient and usable way to present the information, feel free. See List of Simpsons characters. Tokerboy 03:20 Dec 14, 2002 (UTC)

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Among many recent improvements by Barkingdoc to the article, I see that the following sentence has been removed:-

As of January 2002, there is some discussion that Buffy's Watcher, Giles, may get his own series set in England; an animated Buffy has also been proposed.

Is this no longer true? Or was it not true in the first place? Some explanation of removed sentences would be nice! -- Oliver PEREIRA 20:51 Jan 21, 2003 (UTC)

Gah. This is like "Mulder is leaving the X-files" -- it's a rumour that comes up each year, but never happens (okay, so now that one has.... but for about 4 years it didn't). My personal throey is that it was a rumour deliberately leaked by the makes of the show, to scupper existing internet rumours and make Giles' return at the end of Season 6 more of a surprise. Well, that's what I 'd do ;-) -- Tarquin 21:01 Jan 21, 2003 (UTC)

There has been legitimate talk about Head leading a BBC series as Giles, but Head has never confirmed that he himself was offered a role or a series. BBC is generally loathe to produce spin-offs. It is more likely that he will develop a more traditional detective-style series as a new character. Since it hasn't come to fruition (nor has the cartoon) and probably will not at this point, it seemed better to cover all of it under "other proposed series." --BarkingDoc

A page for "Ripper" has been on IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/) for quite a while. It's dated 2002, so obviously the show did not get produced when it was intended to. I haven't heard anything other than rumor about it, so I think BarkingDoc was correct to remove it. -- Wapcaplet

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The following paragraph has ben removed, with no explanation in the edit summary or here:-

"The sudden introduction in the show's fifth season of Buffy's younger sister Dawn was greeted with concern by fans that this was the 'beginning of the end' for the program (a recently observed cultural phenomenon known as jumping the shark), but the internal consistency of the program made such a radical cast alteration feasible, and in fact pivotal to the storytelling throughout the remainder of the season."

The introduction of Buffy's sister was surely a very important part of the development of the series, and in the current version of the article, doesn't get a mention. Is there anything factually inaccurate, POV, or otherwise bad in the paragraph above, and if not can I put it back? -- Oliver P. 14:19 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)

The paragraph discussing Angel is relevant because it explains how the character got a spin off show, but I find it very jarring for the appearance of Dawn to be the only major plot point discussed in the entire article. Dawn's appearance was interestng, but not the most important thing that has happened on the show-- Buffy coming back from the dead, for example, could be said to be a lot more dramatic than her getting a little sister. A lot of people have come to and left the show. It seems unbalanced to me for this to be highlighted so strongly, especially since the purpose of the paragraph seems, to me, to be mostly to state the opinion (not fact) that it didn't hurt the show.

What I would really like to see is a summary of the show by season. I have started this several times, and it is probably time for me to just get down to it. Help would be much appreciated. BarkingDoc

I agree, the paragraph about Dawn always seemed kind of out of place. A summary by season would be great, since each season typically has a "big bad" story arc (The Master, Mayor Wilkins, Glory, Adam, First Evil, etc.) Gotta say, this article has grown a lot since I started following it! I've only contributed bits here and there, but it looks great. -- Wapcaplet

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One fact that has been left out is that Whedon considers the movie to be a pathetic shadow of the series, over which he has creative control. Should this be mentioned somewhere? I'm a newbie so I'm a little loath to change this article. Wnissen 03:20 May 8, 2003 (UTC)

If it's verifiable, stick it in. Be bold! :) Probably best to give his exact quote with a reference, in my opinion; otherwise it may sound like a rumour. -- Oliver P. 01:07 May 9, 2003 (UTC)

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The following stuff needs to be moved, not sure to where:

Siring relationships

• The Master sired Darla
• Darla sired Angelus[?]/Angel
• Angelus sired Drusilla, and Penn[?]
• Drusilla sired Spike
• Spike sired Holden Wesbster[?]

Intimate relationships between vampires

• Darla - Master: suspected
• Darla - Angel: confirmed sex
• Darla - Drusilla: confirmed kissing
• Drusilla - Angel: confirmed sex
• Drusilla - Spike: confirmed sex
• Spike - Harmony: confirmed sex

Intimate Relationships Between Vampires and Human

• Angel - Buffy: confirmed sex
• Darla - Lindsey McDonald[?]: suspected(Did they kiss?)
• Drusilla - Lindsey McDonald: suspected
• Sandy - Riley Finn: suspected
• Spike - Buffy: confirmed sex

Evercat 01:04 May 9, 2003 (UTC)

If I've understood the situation correctly, 24.112.136.178 (/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=24.112.136.178) started a new article today on the relationships between the characters in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and possibly also in the spin-off series Angel, consisting pretty much of the above lists. Zoe incorporated the material into the main Buffy the Vampire Slayer article, but I agree with you that this is not the best place for it. There's a bit of a discussion at Talk:Buffy Vampire Relationships. -- Oliver P. 01:07 May 9, 2003 (UTC)

One might note that these are not simply relationships among characters, but relationships involving vampires. And, not just possibly also in the spin-off series, but definitely. The character Lindsey MacDonald, specifically, has never even appeared on Buffy. Several of the other relationships (such as Angel and Darla) have only been seen fully on Angel. Like most everyone else, I don't really think this deserves its own article, but at the same time, I don't think it should go on the main Buffy page, either. Perhaps it should be deleted? john 05:44 May 9, 2003 (UTC)

No objections here. Evercat 01:03 May 13, 2003 (UTC)