Talk:Time magazine

In the 1930s, Luce felt strongly that America was not doing enough to arm itself for another World War, that Franklin Roosevelt was doing a shameful job avoiding his duty.

This seems to me to be rather out of place and unrelated to anything around it, so I'm removing it. -- bdesham

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Since the name of the magazine is "Time," shouldn't this article be titled "Time (magazine)[?]" ? -- isis 10:06 Dec 13, 2002 (UTC)

Actually, the magazine is called TIME magazine, but I don't know if the wikipedia naming convention allows for naming it that here. Kingturtle 17:31 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

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Regarding the cover picture, it is a copyrighted material for sure but isn't it a fair use? -- Taku 18:04 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

1) Fair use is a more restrictive policy than the GFDL; in other words, it goes against the purpose of using the GFDL, which is to let anyone reuse Wikipedia content as they see fir (as long as they allow redistribution).

2) It's a defense, not a presumptive right--that is, AOL Time Warner could get an injunction on Wikipedia for having use the images, and we'd have to take them down whether or not we went to court to defend our use of the image.

So fair use is generally not a good idea, especially when it comes to things like full-size copies of TIME Magazine covers, which probably wouldn't be defensible under fair use doctrine even if we tried to use that defense in court. --The Cunctator

You think fiar use is not a good idea and you have a right to insist it, but it is not our agreement at all. The picture used under fair use is not covered by GFDL. And I know some people, particulary Larry back that we should avoid possible legal suits as much as possible. They have a point but it is not a settled agreement either. -- Taku 18:14 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Ask yourself, is the image VITAL to this article? No. So let's play safe. :-) -- Tarquin 18:17 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Not it is not, but then you think we shouldn't put a cover picture for movies or albums? We can remove pictures always after copyright-holders started to complain. Let's stop copyright paranoia. -- Taku 18:28 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

It's not copyright paranoia to avoid sticking copyrighted images all over Wikipedia. It's respect for users of Wikipedia. Including copyrighted images and calling it "fair use" prevents (or at least places unfair burdens on) people using Wikipedia content for commercial purposes, which we otherwise allow. And there's a big difference between a thumbnail image and a full-size copy. You'd have had much better luck if you had put in a itty-bitty Time magazine cover. --The Cunctator 18:56 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

There you go - it is now 200 px wide. --mav 19:20 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks Mav and sorry about the size. I don't have a decent tool to resize the picture. It is preferable in wikipedia that people cooraborate rather than speak out responsibility. Actually I am little confused what is your opinion. It seems there three ones now:

• Fair use should not be applied in wikipedia
• Imagies with fair use should be only used for vital purpose
• Imagies with fair use should be used with decent picture size.

Which one? Anyway, at least to my knowledge there is no policy to ban uploading imagines under fair use. Of course, we can discuss any time we should put a picture or not but sysops should not act based on their belief but on consensus. -- Taku 19:39 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

A small image like the one now displayed in this article cannot be used to print out a decent reproduction of the cover. It's only possible use now is to illustrate how the cover looks. This makes the argument that our use is fair that much stronger. Thumbnails are almost always fair game - otherwise Google's image search utility would not be able to exist (they do not pay royalties to the image's copyright holders or even ask them permission to index and store thumbnails of the images). --mav

I see. Your arugment makes much sense to me. -- Taku

Why that cover? How about a more famous one, like the Hitler Man of the Year cover, or the OJ Simpson cover? Kingturtle 20:05 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, that was also my concern. I avoid famous one because we don't have a particular reason to choose Hitler over OJ Simpson. So I simply choose one that is put in the article. -- Taku 21:03 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Great montage of covers. Thanks a lot, User:Minesweeper. -- Taku