Hello again, Derek. I came across a reference in a newly created article (Earl of Ormonde) with a link to the non-existent article, "Jacobite rising of 1715". I know Jacobitism is one of your specialist subjects, and I wondered if you would agree with me that:
a. A separate article on the subject of the risings would be better under the title of "rebellion" because, in my experience, that's how they're normally referred to.
b. There should either be a single article covering the whole series of rebellions or separate ones under the year, to avoid any disagreement as to which was the "first", "second", "third", etc.
And finally ... do you have any long-term plans to create such an article or articles? Deb 22:17 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)
Well, I've kicked off a new article, Jacobite Rebellion, which will obviously overlap a little with Jacobitism, Bonnie Prince Charlie, etc, etc, but should, when suitably expanded, give a clearer idea of what references to the "Jacobite rebellions" tend to mean. I still think it's worth more than a redirect. Deb 22:39 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)
Yes, you're probably right. One of the difficulties is that some call this the "first" Jacobite rebellion, but mostly the 1715 one is called the "first" - so what does that make 1689? (Serious question.)
My main reason for creating this new article is that I feel the term "Jacobite Rebellion(s)" occurs so often that it somehow deserves an article. 212.159.36.93[?] 18:27 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)
I may be alone in this but I think blanking pages is a bad habit, except in extremely inflammatory instances. When you blank a page it makes EVERYONE who has a hand in discussing it waste time going to the history, picking out the right version, etc. It sounds like a small hurdle but it gets annoying for moderators I'm sure. Please don't blank pages, edit them or report them. I already reported My Heart Is In Your Hands[?] and Revolving Around The World[?] when you blanked them. Thanks again. -- Goatasaur
There is no proof of such statements as you have left on my talkpage. Susan Mason
Maybe so. Proof of anything to do with people can be hard to pin down. However there is quite a lot of evidence supporting the statements that I made. Anthropologists and other social scientists have studied this subject for many years and you can find a lot of papers on it if you find the subject interesting as most people do. If you don't like research projects, take a look at history. Spain in the 1930s has material of interest. It's also interesting to follow the progress of communes set up on anarchic lines during the 1960s. Most of them followed a fairly standard progress away from their original principles as they grew -- or they fell apart. Only the ones which remained small, managed to remain properly anarchic. -- Derek
gimme a source Susan Mason
Okay. This should get you started.
It's a study on how religion acted as the rules/rewards/punishments system in 19th century Communes. It's got lots of references. Be warned though, it's a lot of work doing this sort of stuff, so you're on your own after this freebie. I've no interest in trying to change your opinion. I'm just pointing this out because you seem interested in the subject. Good luck. -- Derek
And here's one more weblink to a popular science book about groups in general which talks about the "magic number" 150 and its significance for human groups -- The Tipping Point (http://www.nextreformation.com/html/general/tipping.htm) -- it makes for easier reading than the average academic paper. There's an excerpt at the link. -- Derek
It's also interesting in that there are roughly 150 nations. Hmm. log(6x10^9)/log(150) = 4.49. So, five steps of hierarchy?
I won't argue with that, KQ, but you could say the same thing for definitions of common words and we don't do that even though that would provide yet another vector into Wikipedia. Normally I just leave these lists alone but I can't help commenting on them occasionally. -- Derek.
Totally agree with you. Great book. What a pity it isn't more widely known. -- Derek
I loved your reply to Shino on the talk page to Communist state. It gave me quite a laugh!!! Should we appoint a Trollfinder-General? :-) ÉÍREman 04:42 Apr 27, 2003 (UTC)
Glad, I cheered you up. Anyway, I'm off now. I don't have your hardy 'all-nighting' constitution and it's nearly 1 am here. I'll let others be the Trollfinders-General for just now (there's too much work for one). -- Derek
<sigh>Bouquets and brickbats</sigh>. You're right, I don't want Wikipedia to become like (the worst parts of) UseNet. But we've all made inappropriate comments from time to time. Remember that while situations where I have made comments like the above are rare, it's easy to find similar situations where I have refrained from commenting altogether despite the strong temptation to do so. -- Derek
Hi.
About Mary, Queen of Scots. I agree with what you wrote in my user talk page. This seems to be the name by which she should be listed by here as it is both a native name ( as you've pointed out) and the name by which she is best known by at any rate. I've read quite a few accounts of her, and the only place where she has ever been called Mary I of Scotland is here. At least one other user, Zoe, seems to agree with the idea od renaming her page as well. Arno 08:14 17 May 2003 (UTC)
Er, well, I didn't actually say that I agreed with renaming her page, I just said that it was her official Scottish title. If we did rename the page for her we'd have to do it for every other Scottish monarch as well, since they were all Kings or Queens of Scots, not of Scotland. And there *was* a Mary II of Scotland. She was James VIII's daughter. So you'd be naming them Mary I, Queen of Scots and Mary II, Queen of Scots which is even less expected than Mary ? of Scotland (particularly for Mary II), and would make Scottish monarchs out of line with the others. Best just to leave things as they are, in my opinion. -- Derek Ross 23:48 17 May 2003 (UTC)
Re British Guiana 1c magenta, it seems a bit idiosyncratic to use "¢" for "cents"; I don't know of any philatelist who does it, and even my stodgy old Stanley Gibbons catalog always uses just "c" for British Guiana stamps. Stan 02:06 23 May 2003 (UTC)
Hi Derek -- thanks for the show of support. As you may have noticed, I occasionally lurk in, and then run into the people like the ones on the French Monarchs page and run away again. Oh well -- maybe when we can do history without confusing nationalist cant with scholarship ... JHK
Dante, please don't make links that only those with administrative powers can use such as the undelete links which you have put on the Vandalism in progress page. It tends to promote the idea that Wikipedia is run by a clique who don't want the ordinary user to see what they're doing. Better just to describe what the vandal was up to. Then everyone is included in the big picture. -- Derek Ross 01:09 28 May 2003 (UTC)
Hi Derek, I've noticed a problem that is arising over the opening paragraphs of many royal and papal pages. We use numerous styles, many of them illogical and a throwback to when wiki named royal pages by personal name not royal nomenclature. Given your contribution in the past to getting royal page right I thought you might like to take a look at a solution I've proposed on the Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles) page. Take a look and let me know what you think.
BTW I've made some changes on the Republic of Ireland/temp page. I'd be interested to hear your views. Slán FearÉIREANN 01:16 29 May 2003 (UTC)
Hi Derek, great news! Scipius is back to mess up with the Republic of Ireland page again! *sigh* He changed around the temp version again to do his usual stuff (remove Republic of Ireland, muck up info on the status of the english language, etc etc etc.) Could you keep an eye on this page? The last time he tried this it ended up in a mega-war between those who know Irish history and those (principally Scipius) who don't but keep making factually inaccurate changes anyway. I have reverted back to the previous version by LittleDan which is the temp version we all agreed on. Unless Scipius is stopped again it is going to be the same old nonsense all over again, with everyone else's work reverted to suit his factually incorrect version. It would be nice if just once he tried reading a history book on Ireland. Reading the constitution would help. And a couple of other sources would help also. wikilove. FearÉIREANN 02:24 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Hi Derek, just thought I'd point out that JTD's representation of me is somewhat off. You can see User talk:Jlk7e for a lengthier reply. It's a pity that JTD is not in a particularly cooperative mood, but I'd like to mention that my intentions and edits aren't anything near what JTD suggests they are. Thanks for listening. -Scipius 22:58 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Guys, I know that both of your hearts are in the right place and I am sure that you can come to an understanding, if you really try. As you know from past experience, Scipius, my thinking on Ireland is much the same as JTD's (and that of many other Irish and British folk), so I won't pretend to be neutral on that matter -- I generally agree with what he writes on the subject of England, Ireland or Scotland. But please bear in mind that it's nothing personal and I know that you make your changes with the best of intentions. And I realise that JTD's characterisation of you above is written in his normal dramatic style -- fun for the rest of us to read but harder on you than you deserve.
Changing the subject slightly, I am currently on location in darkest California without ready Internet access so I'm afraid that I won't be able to contribute to this particular rewrite of the ROI page until I get back home, sometime next week. -- Derek
Darkest California??? So the dreaded powercuts have hit after all!!! A whole week without wiki. How will you cope? Take care and have plenty of batteries for the flashlight! lol FearÉIREANN 01:41 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
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