Talk:German Provinces East of Oder-Neisse Line

Helga Jonat:

This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for German revanchism. It is also not the place to post speeches, regardless of what they contain. Nor is it a place to write "No alterations allowed" as this violates the very core principle of Wikipedia--"merciless editing." I removed the piece and request that one of the sys-ops removed the article too, unless it contain real some information. [[user:Danny|Danny]

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Danny, Mac, Vickie.

First of all, when one shows the exact text of a recorded speech, it must not be editing. I tried to formulate this better. If anyone has an even better phrase, please post it under the speech.

The 32 page copy of the speech by the Hon. B. Carroll Reece of Tennessee in the House of Representatives May 16,1957 contains a lot of important information and this part that I posted here is in connection to the question put up by Roadrunner on Winston Churchill.

Perhaps someone can inform me , if it would be legal for me to post the complete text of the speech.

A suggestion, Danny why don't you keep your name-calling to yourself. H. Jonat

Actually, if you look again you will see that I have only called you Helga Jonat, which I believe is your name. And no, you cannot post the whole speech. It is not what Wikipedia is about. We do not have the Gettysburg Address, nor do we have MLK's I have a dream speech. There is no justification whatsoever for this one. Danny

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Danny Then I am to assume that (posting articles called by you) "German revanchism" is meant do be a compliment ? !

On the matter of posting a complete text, how do you expect to know all of it, when you are not interested in posting all of it (text, etc). Does that not leave you vulnerable to condensed versions, sloganism , false perceptions etc, which are often far removed from the actual facts ?

H. Jonat

Helga, please see what wikipedia is not number 12. If you think the speech is important enough, then please provide an external weblink to it after a brief summary. ---maveric149, Monday, July 8, 2002

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Maveric[?], there is no external weblink. All I could find , that there is a B.C.R. museum in Tennessee. I have now posted the title of the documented speech with the numbers mentioned. Perhaps someone can make something of these numbers. What is the legal stand on someone other than wiki posting the text, do you know ? Then we could refer to that url. H. Jonat

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Helga: One of the core principles of Wikipedia is that everything can be edited. If something shouldn't be edited, it doesn't belong here.

More to the point, this is not a place to rehash every argument in the last fifty, or five thousand, years. Let alone every speech made in the US House of Representatives, most of which were made to impress constituents, not to influence legislation. Many aren't actually delivered on the floor at all, only inserted into the Congressional Record. An article on the Oder-Neisse line might plausibly include a note that this person made a speech on the subject, if he was otherwise important or if the speech influenced events. Vicki Rosenzweig

Following up to myself: Helga, you have your own off-Wikipedia homepage. It would be perfectly reasonable for you to put the speech in question there, and use that as the off-Wiki link for people who want to consult it. Vicki Rosenzweig

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Moved this article to Oder-Neisse line.

The material in question still says absolutely nothing, except that someone talked about it in Congress. I would venture to say that someone talked about just about anything in Congress. That is not information worthy of inclusion. Until it can be proved otherwise, I have deleted it. Danny