Talk:Gangsta rap

Ignoring (for the time) that this needs a lot of work, do we have any clearance on the copyright of the stuff from http://www.daveyd.com

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I've seen on television Artists having opposition to the term "gangster rap". If this is true for the profession in general and not just some fabrication it would be prudent to mention this and replace the references with gansta'. Someone who knows for sure could please address this?

--Alan D

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I'm not sure that this text legally belongs in wikipedia. It is apparently a straight quote from an interview given by Ice T to http://www.daveyd.com.

"The first record that came out along those lines was Schooly D's 'P.S.K.' Then the syncopation of that rap was used by me when I made Six In The Morning. The vocal delivery was the same: '...P.S.K. is makin' that green', '...six in the morning, police at my door'. When I heard that record I was like "Oh shit!" and call it a bite or what you will but I dug that record. My record didn't sound like P.S.K., but I liked the way he was flowing with it. P.S.K. was talking about Park Side Killers but it was very vague. That was the only difference, when Schooly did it, it was "...one by one, I'm knockin' em out".

All he did was represent a gang on his record. I took that and wrote a record about guns, beating people down, and all that with Six In The Morning. At the same time my single came out, Boogie Down Productions hit with Criminal Minded, which was a gangster-based album. It wasn't about messages or "You Must Learn", it was about gangsterism. That was the New York shit. So there's no question that I was before Eazy because if you go back to 1982 with Cold Wind Madness, I was talking about being "the pimp, the player, the woman-layer", but Six In The Morning would be the first "Gangsta Rap", so to speak. After that, Cube wrote Boyz In Tha Hood which was like a bite of Six In The Morning [with the syncopation]. It's like "Six in the morning, police at my door..." and "The boyz in the hood are always hard...". If you play Boyz In The Hood at the same time as Six In The Morning, you'll hear they even break at the same point."(www.daveyd.com)

-- sodium

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If the the source of the citation is given and if it's not to long it can be considered to fall under fair use.

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How much is too long? This seems pretty large for a quote. Presumably www.daveyd paid money to Ice T for an exclusive interview, I think we would probably need their agreement to run it. -- sodium

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yes, i guess it's too long after all. Wathiik

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I removed the bulk of the article, because the first part is factually inaccurate in multiple ways. If someone wants to defend it, I'll provide more details, but I'm not going to take the time otherwise. The gangsta slang section is best done at hip hop slang, not here, I think. Tuf-Kat

Other important gangsta rappers include Comptons Most Wanted[?], Above The Law[?] and 2Pac. Boogie Down Production[?]'s first album "Criminal Minded" probably also influenced gangster rap, and both the Beastie Boys and Run DMC were sampled and otherwise quoted by NWA, Above The Law and Eazy E, who popularized the new style that at first was basically hardcore rap, but later on, former NWA member Dr. Dre introduced more melodic elements especially from the realm of P Funk, creating a new style called G Funk. The style flourished on the west coast, but eventually many east coast artists adopted the lyrical style. Musically, however, the east did not abandon his own brand of hip hop. In the 1990s, at least on a lyrical level gangster rap also influenced rappers from the east coast, e.g. DMX, Jay Z and Notorious BIG.

Currently major gangster rappers include Ice Cube, who still follows the original P funk; Snoop Dogg, who raps in a G funk; and Warren G who still know as one of the Greatest rappers of all time, credited as creating a lot of the spirit of rap.

gangster slang Gansgster slang[?] is characterized by of course gangsters who indirectly refer to something in a coded language, as part of the gangster lifestyle[?] which consists of short words that mean something else.

• dawg[?] naturally came from the bucanneer section by the endzone, known as the dog pound[?] whom a football player would call when they made a touchdown.
• wanksta-referential term debuting from the gangster 50 cent which means not a gangster.

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Some notes, primarily for myself, though if anyone else wants to pick up what I'm putting down, feel free.

• There should be some mention of bling-bling.
• The Great Adventures of Slick Rick cover should be replaced by Rhyme Pays or O.G. - Original Gangsta.
• Separate out Mafioso rap.
• Add a disclaimer explaining that gangsta rap is less precise than gangsta hip hop, and make sure that's what's used throughout
• Surely there's more to say about Straight Outta Compton
• The para immediately under Hip hop moves west -- early 1990s could be expanded to include specific mention of Ice-T and such, and explain how the LA underground scene developed in the mid 80s
• It's not obvious Doggystyles album cover is Doggystyle -- it needs a caption. Thus, for consistency's sake, they all should.
• More on what the East Coast was up to during the whole G funk thing (the last paragraph will overlap, but this is fixable)

Tuf-Kat

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On the title of this page: I posit that gangsta rap is much, much more commonly used than gangsta hip hop a more accurate title (or maybe it's more precise -- I can never remember the difference). However, for the majority of listeners, I don't think they are particularly aware of the difference and consider rap and hip hop more or less synonyms (or are aware of the difference in the same way most people are aware that who and whom aren't quite the same thing), so they wouldn't be surprised or disturbed to click on a link to gangsta rap and be taken to a page called gangsta hip hop. Would it be a violation of naming conventions to move this (and East Coast rap, West Coast rap, Southern rap) to gangsta hip hop? Tuf-Kat

Google results (surprising)

• "Gangsta hip hop" - 769
• "Gangsta rap" - 60,800
• "Gangster hip hop" - 37,500
• "Gangster rap" - 8,090

I don't see that there's anything wrong with saying that "gangsta rap is a type of hip hop" - and gangsta rap is the more common name, I believe. Names of music genres don't have to make logical sense... Martin