Talk:Black metal music

Removed "racist" bit, as it is opinionated. Added more information for band: Immortal. Section on Slavic bands is a bit misinforming about the major bands, will consider changing Oligopod

• • Oh, really? How is that "opinionated" when these bands espouse white supremacist ideology?
  • Only some do. Get a clue.

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What about the face paint?

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Do we really need distinct articles about subgenres of a Metal subgenre or is it better to describe them in the main article? Expecially since Vikings, battles, middle ages and Tolkien's works are quite a common theme in most Metal subgenres and therefore the names could be misleading. Valhalla

I do think we need separate articles. You describe everything thats common to Black metal and its sub-genres in the Black metal-page, and then on each sub-genre page you describe what makes this sub-genre uniqe. sandos

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It's the nature of modern rock music that it propagates sub genres. given that, having separate pages for each subgenre makes sense because each one could itself become a source of other sub genres.

Just combined the old and new material.

Here are the major deletions and my reasoning:

creating musical harmonies deemed impossible by many music critiques of the

early 1980s.

irrelevant and meaningless.

Helvete (which translates into Hell) also served as one of the economic foundations for the movement, but the main one was the label "Deathlike Silence", who refused to sign any band that wasn't purley evil.

vague and silly

If you are just getting into the genre than here are some recommendations according to preference (there are many subgenres i will only name the most notable)

advocacy

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Gothic Influenced Keyboard dripping Black metal - The Sins of Thy Beloved, Tristania, etc. The interesting thing about this sub-genre is that it is the easiest to find.

http://www.tristania.com

http://www.tsotb.com

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Black influenced gothic Metal or "Norse-core" - (this genre has notable been mistaken for black metal because the bands that are in it have black elements but they are not really totally black metal) this genre features Dimmu Borgir, and the like.

http://www.dimmu-borgir.com

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Grim Black Metal - This type is becoming the most common usually with little or no keyboards, it is also the most overlooked and underated subgenre. Som enotable Bands are

Frozen Shadows - Quebec Canada

Hellacaust, Nova Scotia Canada - http://welcome.to/hellacaust

Darkthrone, Norway - http://www.darkthrone.no

Burzum, Norway (R.I.P) - http://www.burzum.com

Immortal, Norway - http://www.immortal.nu

Mayhem, Norway - http://www.thetruemayhem.com

Emperor, Norway - http://www.emperorhorde.com

more information can be found if you search using yahoo or google as this list is massive, so i compiled some of the most notable that i have ever heard.

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N.S. Black Metal or National Socialist black metal - This Genre is a very touchy one because it involves the radical ideas of racial seperatism and upholdence of the Aryan race, being applied into the music of black metal. most bands of this type of black metal are fueled by the conservation of pagan beliefs and traditions from total oblitheration by the christian beliefs.

In this genre some very notable bands are

Absurd

Graveland

Infernum

Kataxu

Legion of Doom

Order from Chaos

Thor's Hammer

Thunderbolt

Veles

and the like

for more info on these bands go to http://www.paganfront.net or search using www.google.com or any other search engine

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Viking Metal - This style is not really totally black metal but draws upon the same, pagan, wilderness influence as most black metal does. Vintersorg, Norway - http://www.vintersorg.com Finntroll, - http://www.finntroll.com alot more information can be found here http://www.vikingmetal.cjb.net

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if you wish to find out more information on black metal bands or record labels than here are some references

Belongs elsewhere, disjointed, some of these genre's have sub pages already, and I think that's the way to go.JFQ

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This part has been moved from Talk:Black Metal:

not a bad overview of the genre. removing some of the more enthusiastic and opinion based statements. JFQ

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Can't see how Blind Guardian or Skyclad are related to Black Metal, except for that they also use guitars ... --Zenogantner

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They are related to Black Metal, because they both play music which are sub-genres of Black Metal, i.e. Folk and Fantasy Metal. And also, they sound like Black Metal, which is also a good sign.

imho they sound _very_ different, and, what is more important, they do not belong to the Black Metal subculture. "Fantasy Metal" does not relate so much to Black Metal, it is just another genre of Heavy Metal. --Zenogantner

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They are related to Black Metal because they are a part of Fantasy Metal. Listen to Battlelore, very much Black Metal, but with Fantasy themes and lyrics. Blind Guardian have much the same sound, and thus, are a part of Fantasy Metal, which is a sub-genre of Black Metal.

So why? --Zenogantner

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What?

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I don't know about Battlelore, but Blind Guardian have absolutely nothing to do with Black Metal, they don't even sound similar. If you consider Blind Guardian to be Black Metal then bands like Rhapsody, Nightwish or maybe even Iron Maiden would also be Black Metal! - Nightfall