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however, modern historians and archaeologists debate this, citing the probable Slavic origins of the name Samo among other supporting factors.
Samo is derived from Germanic language :same = M.E. (Old Saxon), O.N. samr,sami Goth. sama. German language Samen (Semen)= English seeds. Other samples; Samland , Prussia, Sami or Lapps in northern Europe etc.
Samo ruled teritories probably more souh from Moravia, soem say that he ruled Pannonia. However it would worth mentioning later state of Great Moravia, which was destroyed by Hungarians, and which destrouction allowed to creating states of Poland and Czech szopen
Nothing of above is true. Samo was trully primarily a Frankish merchant in a province Senonago, as it is mentioned in the article (Fredegarii Chronicon circa 658), but he had no Frankish roots. He was indeed a Slav. Moreover, according to some sources (well known Conversio Bagoariorum et Carantanorum) he was a Karantanian and therefore he was a Slovene. Although this source is some 200 years subsequent than Fredegar's chronicle but it is epitomized from an older records in Solnograd (circa 873), we should nevertheless infer that this is better source than a faraway Frankish one. So Samo (623 - 658) was a king of one of the earliest Slavic states. (See more in Karantania article). Because Samo had hindered Frankish merchants or Frankish influence a war striked out with a Frankish king Dagobert I, Merovingian (603 - 639), who went over Samo's army with all powers of Austrasia (Avstrazia). But in 631 at Wogastisburg (probably Forchheim in Frankish territory) he lost the final battle. This union of states under Samo's goverment is the most important state formation of Slavs at that time. Best regard. -- XJamRastafire 18:53 Sep 4, 2002 (PDT)
Samo is derived from Germanic language :same = M.E. (Old Saxon), O.N. samr,sami Goth. sama. German language Samen (Semen)= English seeds. Other samples; Samland , Prussia, Sami or Lapps in northern Europe etc.
- That is one theory. Since at least the 1970s, there has been a lot of scholarly debate on this. There may be no relation at all to the German Samen. Sometimes words in different languages are identical, but may not be related. One of the leaders of the "Samo was a Slav" argument is in fact a German scholar.
The Slavs who came into Germania also took over many German/ic words and often adapted them. Krol for example means king in Slavic. It is derived from Karol(us) ,king/emperor Karl der Grosse or Charlemagne, who ruled over the land. H. Jonat
Samo ruled teritories probably more souh from Moravia, soem say that he ruled Pannonia. However it would worth mentioning later state of Great Moravia, which was destroyed by Hungarians, and which destrouction allowed to creating states of Poland and Czech szopen
Nothing of above is true. Samo was trully primarily a Frankish merchant in a province Senonago, as it is mentioned in the article (Fredegarii Chronicon circa 658), but he had no Frankish roots. He was indeed a Slav. Moreover, according to some sources (well known Conversio Bagoariorum et Carantanorum) he was a Karantanian and therefore he was a Slovene. Although this source is some 200 years subsequent than Fredegar's chronicle but it is epitomized from an older records in Solnograd (circa 873), we should nevertheless infer that this is better source than a faraway Frankish one. So Samo (623 - 658) was a king of one of the earliest Slavic states. (See more in Karantania article). Because Samo had hindered Frankish merchants or Frankish influence a war striked out with a Frankish king Dagobert I, Merovingian (603 - 639), who went over Samo's army with all powers of Austrasia (Avstrazia). But in 631 at Wogastisburg (probably Forchheim in Frankish territory) he lost the final battle. This union of states under Samo's goverment is the most important state formation of Slavs at that time. Best regard. -- XJamRastafire 18:53 Sep 4, 2002 (PDT)
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