Talk:Holocaust

Moved

Why were the Jews so central to the evil brutality of the Nazis? It is not that any scholar of the Holocaust needs to believe in God: far from it. But it is, perhaps, necessary that any serious scholar needs to believe that the Nazis believed in God, and the relationship of the Jews - through time and history - to that God. The SS Ahnenerbe[?] (Cultural Research Unit) were involved in establishing a secular faith - man as superman - the Fuhrer eventually to displace a deconstructed God. The history of God in Western Civilisation is indeed the history of the Jews - a Chosen Race, set apart by God. The Nazi's evil demanded that the Jews become the Selected Race - a race thrown down by man. The new (evil) Nazi Millenium was to have a man as the uttermost absolute: all aspiration, all time, all experience, all history, and all meaning were to extend through him to posterity. Previously, (to the Nazi mind) this had been fulfilled by the God of the Jews: God entered human time, human history, and human experience through the Jews. Any man that might take that function of the Godhead onto himself might (in all its evil of application) as the Nazis attempted, push Jewish history aside (and the Jewish Nation too). The concept of Endlosung was born, commissioned and executed. This unthinkable evil was stopped on January 27th - with the liberation of the camps. Hitler was prevented from becoming the secular God as envisioned in Nietszche's "Man as Superman" phrase. So, we can rest assured that there will be no further attempts to wrest the history of God from the Jews ever again...

here, while in the process of removing any overt POV or essay type remarks. Atorpen 22:43 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

Good move, Atorpen, I was considering doing something about it when I saw it in Current Events. It's not too bad, but it does need some work. -- Zoe

Two requests: 1) Could someone put a caption on the picture in that article? I have no idea where it was taken or when, and it could use a little bit of context. 2) Could we include the total number of people killed in the Holocoaust somewhere in the head of the article? From the WWII article, I see 12 million, but perhaps other people could confirm that? Dachshund 17:06 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC)

My hebrew translator says "devastation" which is a synonym of "desolation" (but I'm no serious expert) -- Rotem Dan 16:13 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Shoah can be used to mean catastrophe, but its original meaning was "destruction by fire." Danny

Thanks, Rotem Dan and Danny. Sorry to quibble, but Google told me a different story: most web sites give the original meaning as 'whirlwind' (e.g. http://www.zipple.com/weeklyzipple/weeklyhebrew.shtml), followed by the more general 'catastrophe'. -- Heron

Shoah in Hebrew means "burnt offering". Holocoste, in French, means the same thing. Len