Talk:Björk

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Revision This article is in the process of major revision. A temporary page has been set up for revising the Björk article. It was at Bjork/Temp for a while, but now has been (properly) moved to Talk:Björk/Temp. Please make all edits to the temporary article, rather than the real article, until such time as it is ready to be moved back into the real article.

The goal at this point is not to include every single bit of information from the original article. Doing so could be extraordinarily difficult, which is probably the reason the article is in the state it's in now. My intentions at this moment are:

• Get a decent structural outline finished
  • Early career (first solo work, Tappi Tikarass and other bands)
  • Beginning of professional career (Sugarcubes, etc.)
  • Solo career (this should comprise the bulk of the article)
  • Acting and movie stuff
• Begin moving details from existing article into new outline
  • Set up additional temporary pages, if necessary, to help hash out the various sections
  • Use a "scratch" page to store all the juicy tidbits from the current article. Delete them from the scratch page as they are seamlessly incorporated (preferably in brilliant prose) into the newly revised article at Talk:Björk/Temp.
• Tidy up, spit and polish, make it beautiful
• Replace the current article with the new one

Since Björk is primarily known as a musician, her musical career should perhaps be of predominating priority in the article. A great many details from her personal life (relationships, marriage, having kids, etc.) are present in the current article, and I would really like to keep these, provided they can be worked into the context of her musical career somehow.

And of course, this is Wiki! I hope I'm not doing this alone, and I would graciously welcome all comments, criticisms, contributions, and collaborations. -- Wapcaplet 02:39 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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Discussion From the article:

the big band cover "It's Oh So Quiet"

Credits: (Hans Lang/Bert Reisfeld). Google asays: "It's oh so quiet" was written by Hans Lang and Bert Reisfeld and performed by Betty Hutton during the 40s"

Bjork did not put that one on her boxed set because she said it was essentially not hers, though she likes it.. Koyaanis Qatsi

I had to go check up on this when I read the above in the article, it sounds so Bjork! -- Tarquin 11:41 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC)

Is it true that Bjork released her first album in 1977 after recording it in 1976? because I never heard of that album. I never took band until like around 1982 when I was 14 or 1983 when I was 15. -- Micahel

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Úrnat being a papu-ish word for holiday - what is papu-ish?

I did some massive trimming of this vast article, but it still needs considerable work. In particular, the discography is confusing -- are all of those albums? And they need disambiguation. -- Zoe

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Hoo boy, what a mess. Am I alone in thinking that it might be good to simply start over on this article? So much of this has been hacked, cut and pasted, cobbled together and generally piled up from other sources, it seems like it'd be good for someone familiar with her career to simply sit down and start a new outline. (This person is not me, unless I do lots of reading). Then maybe we can incorporate existing content as we go along. Unless someone beats me to it, I think I'll be working on this at Bjork/Temp. -- Wapcaplet 02:38 28 May 2003 (UTC)

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Found a good reference for an overview of her career: http://entertainment.msn.com/Artist/?artist=107009

I've been using HTML character entity references for the Icelandic characters. I don't know what the standard is on Wiki for this, but in HTML it's generally considered better to use ö, í and the like. If other contributors prefer to just type the characters in directly (as the old article does), I will not be offended, but I may go in and convert them to HTML character entity references just for the sake of correctness and cross-platform compatibility. (presumably, if someone does not have those characters available in their font set, it ends up rendering as garbage; using the HTML entities at least causes them to degrade gracefully in the absence of the proper fonts). -- Wapcaplet 12:35 28 May 2003 (UTC)

I'm glad you are working on this. You might also want to look at this version (/w/wiki.phtml?title=Bj%F6rk&oldid=921475) of the original article, it's the last before the major addition and seems quite useful.

The problem with using code for characters is that it causes difficulties with searching - see Wikipedia:Special characters. It also, IMO, makes the article less friendly to edit - especially when there are so many unusual characters. I don't know what happens if someone tries to edit the page and they don't have the required font installed though, maybe that is a problem. Personally I change HTML to direct characters when I come across it -- sannse 12:51 28 May 2003 (UTC)

Good point about lack of friendliness to editing... it does make it a little harder to look at (but then, the same is true for any article using lots of Unicode and the like). For searching, the Wikipedia:Special characters points out that the lack of ability to search properly on ö and the like is actually a bug. It is probably not a very frequent problem that someone doesn't have the correct fonts installed (since it's standard Latin-1 stuff), but it really is not part of ASCII, which is why I prefer to use the W3C's recommendation to convert to entity references. -- Wapcaplet 13:43 28 May 2003 (UTC)

Hmm, you know, now that I think about it (and read more of the Wikipedia:Special characters page), the more I think you're probably right. It's gonna be impossible to look at this article if I keep putting in the HTML entity references. I guess all I was worried about was characters not showing up for some users, but as long as we follow the "safe" ones, it'll probably be fine. Gotta figure out what to do about that eth (ð) though, since it's one of the 'unsafe' ones. Should it be replaced by a 'th'? Or maybe a 'dh'? -- Wapcaplet 14:00 28 May 2003 (UTC)

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First of all I’m writing to tell you that you’re making a big mistake if you’re thinking of changing the Icelandic characters by others.

I understand that it would be hard for somebody to find an article that contains accents and characters like ð, Þ, æ etc. Now, if we have a link which contains some of the above characters it would be desiderable to create an additional page with understandable characters, for instance: if you want to create a new page for Tappi Tíkarras’ album Bítið Fast Í Vítið, you could do it both, with these characters and then another version like this: Bítidh Fast Í Vítidh. This is because the ð (Đ capitol) is usually replaced by dh. Some people think they can replace it using th, but in fact that’s a big mistake because th replaces the Þ. Besides some people (even books) get confussed with the Þ and tend to convert it into a P, but that’s outrageous in Icelandic language like changing the j ny using i (it changes the whole meaning).

On the other hand, we have words that are have more than one accent (very common in Icelandic). I think all characters should be kept the way they’re, and make some additional versions for the links containing those weird characters; after all, if you try to find information about Björk on the Internet you could find it both: “Björk” and “Bjork”.

About the term papu-ish used for the word “Úrnat”. I looked it up everywhere I could but it was unsuccesful, I took it from Björk’s site (discography section). Finally, I would like to comment that the albums should be revised, because you can’t tell which one is an album and which one a single, but someone must have thought they were all the same. I consider that we should differenciate them by using lines starting with a star for the albums and two stars for the singles or try to create a new page named Björk discography. We could also add lyrics.

I’ll be working on this article and I will check the Icelandic characters since I have already found lots of spelling mistakes. Let me know if you’re interested in more information. I have lyrics traslations from Icelandic to English. Lmb 20:02 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)